Thank you for being a concerned citizen and consistently speaking up, in a reasoned and reasonable way, for all of us. I really appreciate your approach and integrity. Useful to have the timeline collated like this too.
There are few persons who protest the catastrophes that have arisen from the Covid vax. You are one of those indefatigable few who do protest and who do understand the destructive path taken by governments around the world. Socially, the populace is isolated and subjugated to a totalitarian authority. On the mental health front, the rates of depression, suicide, and domestic abuse are higher than ever. As for physical well-being, vaccine-induced illnesses and vaccine-induced deaths are ever-present. The political authorities, after having appointed themselves as guardians of our good health, have made inroads leading to the destruction of our good health. It pains me that your letters to the editor were not answered. What has happened to debate, one of the most enlightening endeavours that persons can engage in? Well, debate has been censored. Nevertheless, I want you to know that there are those of us that hear your clarion call. Thank you for all that you do.
DR MATT SHELTON: By then it was even clearer that we were dealing with an influenza-level illness that we've all worked through before. The older we are, the more of these things we've worked through. It's what we do, dealing with winter illness. And sometimes there's a particular virus, usually a virus, that you can put a name to, and that has a very distinct sort of clinical pattern that you recognize quite early on. Usually doctors will get it early on in the season because we're being exposed to it. And it didn't seem there was any need for this radical change in the way we delivered public health.
And the message also was much more about that. It was less about the individual circumstances of the patients and more about what was sounding increasingly like dictates. And inflexible one size fits all solutions that we were going to have to impose on people.
And you asked previously about how some of the doctors I knew responded. Some were obviously frightened. They really thought it was the worst infectious disease since the Middle Ages and that you know we were all going to die unless we did something about it. Others were much more sanguine. They recognized the politics and the imperatives, but the feeling was, you know, the sort of Soviet shrug, you know, what can we do? You know, not for us to question or risk trouble by questioning our betters. So there wasn't a lot of support certainly in my local area for my views. But they were respected. I was allowed to have them. And nobody told me that I should change my tune.
30:42
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I would add that when you say, your views, you're talking about a traditionally commonsensical medical approach to an illness. Your views were, we should look at treating people who have symptoms, we should look at the actual lethality of this thing, which is not really so terrible. We should look at developing, if we do develop a vaccine, a vaccine that has enough time to develop properly and not be foisted on people. We should look at nutrition, we should look at basic healthy lifestyle, we should look at nutraceuticals, whatever. These are all very traditional, very basic. Somehow it all seemed to get turned around and anyone who talked about natural immunity, treatment, caution about an untested global universal intervention, they were turned into heretics. And in fact, I mean, you suffered the brunt of this. You had your license suspended, am I correct in saying that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, ultimately. You know I think I got away with quite a lot before finally that dance with the authorities resulted in me losing my license, which I did get back actually, briefly. But yeah, the longer it went on, the louder the alarm bells around, you know, the departure from the norm.
And we practice how we practice. And as a psychiatrist you will know, you know, you get into a groove, everything that you do is based on everything that's come before, you know, all of our experience, the observations we make, the things that— the generalities that seem to work, you know, some of the time in some people. You know, and then specifics, but the barn door principles of not just public health but also the engagement with our patients as individuals and the advice that we come up with, that is unique to that consultation with that person
in that moment, was superceded by these dictates and this messaging
from our own colleges and our own medical council, but also the higher level via the Ministry of Health. And the government ministers and the Prime Minister were all weighing in on very particular medical issues that I will believe to my dying day, you know, need to be left to the professionals that have spent their whole careers leading up to this moment.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Be more specific. When you say, weighing in on medical issues, tell me exactly what you mean by that.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well it's hard to find another word than propaganda, but the relentless unity of messaging, this one size fits all. You know, there is no nuance, there is no accounting for the differences between people and patient groups and risk stratification. And that the vaccine will give you your lives back—
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: You're talking about the jab now, specifically.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Yeah, but that also applies to the messaging around lockdowns, social distancing, masks, you know, which, which very clearly there is minimal science if any to support the mask compulsion, for people to cover their faces. Of all ages.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I'll go back and I'll say first of all, there was no science involved in the decision to lockdown the healthy. There is no science behind this idea of social distancing. It's absolutely absurd. OK? And with respect to masks, again, there's no science behind that at all. And despite the fact the holes in the mask are, what, 10, 20, 100 times bigger than the so-called pathogen or whatever it is, they don't work. Even if masks did work, then what is the cost of having people wear masks everywhere? Having little kids in schools be put into masks? The psychological, the emotional, the human cost of this stuff is incredible.
They shut down the ability of people to gather, to be with their loved ones, to enjoy everything that makes life worth living because they were trying to save us from the most lethal illness that has ever hit humanity. Meantime, there were case counts, death counts, counts of everything you can name, and the fear factor was being promoted relentlessly. You couldn't go a day without hearing something or other being bludgeoned by the fear missile from media. And the government of course became the single source of truth. And let's get down to your position and how the authorities responded to your raising very commonsensical questions about individual treatment, as well as public policy.
MATT SHELTON: Yes, well, we put all those separate concerns in writing. And we wrote to our regulator authorities and the government in April 2020. Around Easter. We actually mugged up this letter over Easter weekend really. And we had 20 or 30 people, something or other, who were prepared to put their names to it. Thinking that we'd at least get a conversation going. You know. So most of it was questions. Hey, well, what about? And, what if? And we we were greeted with complete silence.
Thank you very much for this. It is really heartening to know that another doctor stood up to the insanity.
Speaking of another doctor, by way of Igor Chudov's subsack, I just saw your video with Dr. Matt Shelton. May these transcripts of two brief excerpts be of use.
Via "Matt Shelton, a Covid Hero of New Zealand
Matt Lost Everything -- But Fulfilled his Duty to Warn His Patients"
DR. MATT SHELTON: You would want some basic safety questions to be answered, and particularly if you were using it to provoke an immune response. And they were very straightforward questions that it seemed to me at the time and much more clearly now, looking back, weren't even asked of regulator authorities.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Before we get into technicalities of the jab and all that, we have this response by the state, to lock people down, to mandate social distancing, masks, etcetera. These are tremendous incursions on humans' rights, OK. I remember that we were not even allowed to swim in the harbor because apparently we might have an accident that would overburden the healthcare system. I remember walking into a hospital during the first lockdown, it was a ghost town. There was nobody there. So people absorbed all these incursions and they accepted them because they were being told by the government that this is the only way to keep us safe. And we're going to be hunkered down and use all these measures. And they would pursue a no-covid policy at the time. Do you remember that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Oh yeah, very well.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: What's happened with the no-covid policy since then?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, I think we all know the truth of that. There are people who are getting their second or third dose of it. And we had it big time. We kicked the can down the road. And I suspect it's the worse because of that. But I remember clearly, too, in general practice, you know, no patients could come in. If they thought they might have covid or something really important, we'd see them in the car park. And then we had a beautiful summer and it went on a long time. And it was actually a relative oasis of peace and quiet, except there were these problems stacking up in the background. People being too afraid. And I think the overwhelming issue of course was the fear that was induced in everybody. And I think people imagined that there were these battle grounds going on in emergency departments and in general practice where these people were crawling in you know with overwhelming covid in the hundreds and thousands. And I spoke to many hospital doctors during that time. They were bored to death! You know, they had nothing to do. And they had no patients because nobody was being allowed in. So you know, it was a surreal time. But personally I wasn't scared. I could see how peoples' rational thought processes were being shut down, which of course what happens when you're afraid. But the messaging was continuously around the worse case scenario that was going to be visited on everybody.
Meantime, there were papers coming out all over the place giving us a much, even clearer idea, you know, who the at-risk groups were, but also why. You know, what was the pathology? Why were certain groups so vulnerable to this virus? And why were, the people in ICUs being ventilated, you know, responding differently compared to other respiratory pathogens? At it was becoming clear that actually this seemed to be a vascular, blood vessel issue from this virus, rather than respiratory. It wasn't all the people with CODP,* chronic respiratory lung disease that were the first ones to fall over, or filling up the ICUs. It was the people that already had vascular disease that goes along with obesity and diabetes, and just being older, too.
Many thanks for your post. Glad to here of another sensible person over there. You might be interested in these links of mine. I use humour and am not PC.
In essence things started on April Fool's day. This should have been a big clue. The day has yet to end over 2.5 years later.
Thank you for being a concerned citizen and consistently speaking up, in a reasoned and reasonable way, for all of us. I really appreciate your approach and integrity. Useful to have the timeline collated like this too.
I agree. The timeline for me is fascinating, disturbing, outrageous, deplorable and tragic all rolled into one.
Thank you for taking the time to read and comment so graciously.
There are few persons who protest the catastrophes that have arisen from the Covid vax. You are one of those indefatigable few who do protest and who do understand the destructive path taken by governments around the world. Socially, the populace is isolated and subjugated to a totalitarian authority. On the mental health front, the rates of depression, suicide, and domestic abuse are higher than ever. As for physical well-being, vaccine-induced illnesses and vaccine-induced deaths are ever-present. The political authorities, after having appointed themselves as guardians of our good health, have made inroads leading to the destruction of our good health. It pains me that your letters to the editor were not answered. What has happened to debate, one of the most enlightening endeavours that persons can engage in? Well, debate has been censored. Nevertheless, I want you to know that there are those of us that hear your clarion call. Thank you for all that you do.
Thank you so very much for your very kind words, we fight together!
I’ve been reading all your sub stacks and I endorse your thinking. More, I appreciate you not being part of the iatrogenocide.
I send a prayer to you to indeed revel in the “ joy of living” you mention in one of your missives.
thank you so much, that is so very kind of you and very much appreciated!
Second Brief Excerpt
Via "Matt Shelton, a Covid Hero of New Zealand
Matt Lost Everything -- But Fulfilled his Duty to Warn His Patients"
by Igor Chudov, December 5, 2022
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/matt-shelton-a-covid-hero-of-new
This video:
"Doctor to Doctor: Emanuel Garcia Speaks with Matt Shelton"
https://rumble.com/v1xxby0-doctor-to-doctor-emanuel-garcia-speaks-with-matt-shelton.htmlEmanuel Garcia and Matt Shelton
SECOND EXCERPT
28:48 [as the mRNA vaccine rollout neared]
DR MATT SHELTON: By then it was even clearer that we were dealing with an influenza-level illness that we've all worked through before. The older we are, the more of these things we've worked through. It's what we do, dealing with winter illness. And sometimes there's a particular virus, usually a virus, that you can put a name to, and that has a very distinct sort of clinical pattern that you recognize quite early on. Usually doctors will get it early on in the season because we're being exposed to it. And it didn't seem there was any need for this radical change in the way we delivered public health.
And the message also was much more about that. It was less about the individual circumstances of the patients and more about what was sounding increasingly like dictates. And inflexible one size fits all solutions that we were going to have to impose on people.
And you asked previously about how some of the doctors I knew responded. Some were obviously frightened. They really thought it was the worst infectious disease since the Middle Ages and that you know we were all going to die unless we did something about it. Others were much more sanguine. They recognized the politics and the imperatives, but the feeling was, you know, the sort of Soviet shrug, you know, what can we do? You know, not for us to question or risk trouble by questioning our betters. So there wasn't a lot of support certainly in my local area for my views. But they were respected. I was allowed to have them. And nobody told me that I should change my tune.
30:42
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I would add that when you say, your views, you're talking about a traditionally commonsensical medical approach to an illness. Your views were, we should look at treating people who have symptoms, we should look at the actual lethality of this thing, which is not really so terrible. We should look at developing, if we do develop a vaccine, a vaccine that has enough time to develop properly and not be foisted on people. We should look at nutrition, we should look at basic healthy lifestyle, we should look at nutraceuticals, whatever. These are all very traditional, very basic. Somehow it all seemed to get turned around and anyone who talked about natural immunity, treatment, caution about an untested global universal intervention, they were turned into heretics. And in fact, I mean, you suffered the brunt of this. You had your license suspended, am I correct in saying that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, ultimately. You know I think I got away with quite a lot before finally that dance with the authorities resulted in me losing my license, which I did get back actually, briefly. But yeah, the longer it went on, the louder the alarm bells around, you know, the departure from the norm.
And we practice how we practice. And as a psychiatrist you will know, you know, you get into a groove, everything that you do is based on everything that's come before, you know, all of our experience, the observations we make, the things that— the generalities that seem to work, you know, some of the time in some people. You know, and then specifics, but the barn door principles of not just public health but also the engagement with our patients as individuals and the advice that we come up with, that is unique to that consultation with that person
in that moment, was superceded by these dictates and this messaging
from our own colleges and our own medical council, but also the higher level via the Ministry of Health. And the government ministers and the Prime Minister were all weighing in on very particular medical issues that I will believe to my dying day, you know, need to be left to the professionals that have spent their whole careers leading up to this moment.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Be more specific. When you say, weighing in on medical issues, tell me exactly what you mean by that.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well it's hard to find another word than propaganda, but the relentless unity of messaging, this one size fits all. You know, there is no nuance, there is no accounting for the differences between people and patient groups and risk stratification. And that the vaccine will give you your lives back—
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: You're talking about the jab now, specifically.
DR. MATT SHELTON: Yeah, but that also applies to the messaging around lockdowns, social distancing, masks, you know, which, which very clearly there is minimal science if any to support the mask compulsion, for people to cover their faces. Of all ages.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: And I'll go back and I'll say first of all, there was no science involved in the decision to lockdown the healthy. There is no science behind this idea of social distancing. It's absolutely absurd. OK? And with respect to masks, again, there's no science behind that at all. And despite the fact the holes in the mask are, what, 10, 20, 100 times bigger than the so-called pathogen or whatever it is, they don't work. Even if masks did work, then what is the cost of having people wear masks everywhere? Having little kids in schools be put into masks? The psychological, the emotional, the human cost of this stuff is incredible.
They shut down the ability of people to gather, to be with their loved ones, to enjoy everything that makes life worth living because they were trying to save us from the most lethal illness that has ever hit humanity. Meantime, there were case counts, death counts, counts of everything you can name, and the fear factor was being promoted relentlessly. You couldn't go a day without hearing something or other being bludgeoned by the fear missile from media. And the government of course became the single source of truth. And let's get down to your position and how the authorities responded to your raising very commonsensical questions about individual treatment, as well as public policy.
MATT SHELTON: Yes, well, we put all those separate concerns in writing. And we wrote to our regulator authorities and the government in April 2020. Around Easter. We actually mugged up this letter over Easter weekend really. And we had 20 or 30 people, something or other, who were prepared to put their names to it. Thinking that we'd at least get a conversation going. You know. So most of it was questions. Hey, well, what about? And, what if? And we we were greeted with complete silence.
36: 27
[END OF EXCERPT]
# # #
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
Dr. Matt Shelton
https://nzdsos.com/
Dr. Emanuel Garcia
https://newzealanddoc.substack.com/
*COPD is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Thank you so much for your efforts, they are much appreciated! A really fantastic job.
Thank you very much for this. It is really heartening to know that another doctor stood up to the insanity.
Speaking of another doctor, by way of Igor Chudov's subsack, I just saw your video with Dr. Matt Shelton. May these transcripts of two brief excerpts be of use.
Via "Matt Shelton, a Covid Hero of New Zealand
Matt Lost Everything -- But Fulfilled his Duty to Warn His Patients"
by Igor Chudov, December 5, 2022
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/matt-shelton-a-covid-hero-of-new
This video:
"Doctor to Doctor: Emanuel Garcia Speaks with Matt Shelton"
https://rumble.com/v1xxby0-doctor-to-doctor-emanuel-garcia-speaks-with-matt-shelton.htmlEmanuel Garcia and Matt Shelton
source:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BlRtx1bdJAco/
TRANSCRIPT - FIRST EXCERPT
20:55
[on the novel mRNA vaccines]
DR. MATT SHELTON: You would want some basic safety questions to be answered, and particularly if you were using it to provoke an immune response. And they were very straightforward questions that it seemed to me at the time and much more clearly now, looking back, weren't even asked of regulator authorities.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: Before we get into technicalities of the jab and all that, we have this response by the state, to lock people down, to mandate social distancing, masks, etcetera. These are tremendous incursions on humans' rights, OK. I remember that we were not even allowed to swim in the harbor because apparently we might have an accident that would overburden the healthcare system. I remember walking into a hospital during the first lockdown, it was a ghost town. There was nobody there. So people absorbed all these incursions and they accepted them because they were being told by the government that this is the only way to keep us safe. And we're going to be hunkered down and use all these measures. And they would pursue a no-covid policy at the time. Do you remember that?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Oh yeah, very well.
DR. EMANUEL GARCIA: What's happened with the no-covid policy since then?
DR. MATT SHELTON: Well, I think we all know the truth of that. There are people who are getting their second or third dose of it. And we had it big time. We kicked the can down the road. And I suspect it's the worse because of that. But I remember clearly, too, in general practice, you know, no patients could come in. If they thought they might have covid or something really important, we'd see them in the car park. And then we had a beautiful summer and it went on a long time. And it was actually a relative oasis of peace and quiet, except there were these problems stacking up in the background. People being too afraid. And I think the overwhelming issue of course was the fear that was induced in everybody. And I think people imagined that there were these battle grounds going on in emergency departments and in general practice where these people were crawling in you know with overwhelming covid in the hundreds and thousands. And I spoke to many hospital doctors during that time. They were bored to death! You know, they had nothing to do. And they had no patients because nobody was being allowed in. So you know, it was a surreal time. But personally I wasn't scared. I could see how peoples' rational thought processes were being shut down, which of course what happens when you're afraid. But the messaging was continuously around the worse case scenario that was going to be visited on everybody.
Meantime, there were papers coming out all over the place giving us a much, even clearer idea, you know, who the at-risk groups were, but also why. You know, what was the pathology? Why were certain groups so vulnerable to this virus? And why were, the people in ICUs being ventilated, you know, responding differently compared to other respiratory pathogens? At it was becoming clear that actually this seemed to be a vascular, blood vessel issue from this virus, rather than respiratory. It wasn't all the people with CODP,* chronic respiratory lung disease that were the first ones to fall over, or filling up the ICUs. It was the people that already had vascular disease that goes along with obesity and diabetes, and just being older, too.
24:31
[END OF FIRST EXCERPT]
I am deeply indebted, thank you!
Thank YOU
Hello from the UK
Many thanks for your post. Glad to here of another sensible person over there. You might be interested in these links of mine. I use humour and am not PC.
In essence things started on April Fool's day. This should have been a big clue. The day has yet to end over 2.5 years later.
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/08/17/what-is-the-flu-a-k-a-covid-19-and-why-vaccines-are-pointless-at-best/
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2021/10/07/jacinda-ardern/
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/02/27/trevor-mallard-speaker-of-the-new-zealand-house-of-representatives-is-he-as-quacked-up-as-he-appears-to-be/
and for some meme humour
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/04/12/more-memes/
thank you very much for your comments and these new sources of amusing enlightenment!
You are very kind, I do my best.
Thanks and shared.
Thank you most kindly.