I totally agree with you that a professional sould not use his/her position of authority to influence a patient's decision in one way or the other, when it is about "opinions", when there is no absolute certainty, etc.
But, we know this same patient is being bombarded with false and/or incomplete informations about the jabs. There is big chances that the physician too will go the same way, pretending it is the absolute truth.
How is this constant propaganda suppose to be balanced with the other side of this "not absolutely certain" information?
Your informed opinion, in my view, should be made available to the person too, as an « informed opinion », and then he/she can decide. I know I would absolutely.
Did you have or need to persuade your patient not to take the jab?
No, of course not.
But as a patient, would I want a medical doctor to share his/her personal, well informed, opinion with me even if I don’t agree with him?
Absolutely yes! I would like to hear his opinion including doubts and all.
That way, when I visit the general practitioner I would hear a second opinion and I can balance them both. What if that GP is 100% pro jab and does not have any qualm in pushing it on me?
Did this patient know exactly what your public advocacy was regarding informed consent, early treatment and possible jab harms?
I understand very well that psychiatrists are in a difficult position but we are medical doctors and if we believe vexines are toxic then we should gently guide our patients away.
"I suggested that the patient form her own decision about what or what not to take, and that she consult her GP". Is that the GP who has followed the instructions of the government of the day or a GP that was punted by the same government for doing the research they are supposed to do BEFORE jabbing innocent, ill informed people old mate? Are we are talking about life or death, GMO's, proper informed consent, medical experimentation or not? Mate you tie yourself in knots trying to do the "right thing" which ends up assisting no-one. Your opinion, based on what you know & all the people you have interviewed MUST give you the right to express that opinion. I'm stunned by your cop out.
It was your DUTY to just tell the person what your OPINION was about the jabs. YOU FAILED miserably in sharing knowledge that she so desperately was looking for, some direction some alternative to help her make up her own mind. Your conscience by your OWN admission told you her parents were right and that you were right yet you said nothing to offer her deeper thought deeper introspection. To then hide behind "I'm no expert or doctor and still refer to GP"... is nothing less than a sgamefull cop out, SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU, SHAME ON YOU
Before I don the sackcloth and ashes, let me remind you and other readers that I lost my job because I came out early, emphatically and publicly against the Jab. Now, before we address clinical subtleties, involving a psychiatrist-patient relationship, let me tell you about 3 close family lovers, each of whom loves me, respects me and values my opinion. I told them in no uncertain terms and with all the material I could marshal NOT to get the Jab. Each of them did.
The patient who consulted me did not consult me for my opinion about the jab -- in fact, she never asked for it. She consulted me for problems with anxiety, depression and conflicts with her parents. Had I jumped on board and supported her 'nutty antivax mother' she would have left the office. She had herself already taken one Jab without telling her mother. I was hopeful that my suggestion that she form her own opinions based on what she discovered versus what someone else told her would have resonated.
If I were her GP I would certainly, given that role, have advised against the Jab. As a psychiatrist ... you know, we're not supposed to venture outside our scope, and mostly for good reasons, namely, that our expertise is not in physical medicine.
So, in sum, the situation was relatively complex. I suspect very strongly that she knew my opinion of the Jab based on the small community in which I worked, and I doubt very strongly that my attempting to tell her what to do would have resulted in anything but a worsening of the symptoms for which she consulted me.
The situation grows even more eerie when one considers that a friend -- yet another person who respects me, etc. -- whom I advised not to get the Jab because if was dangerous said, point blank: "Well, my wife got it and she's perfectly fine. I don't think you know what you're talking about."
I totally agree with you that a professional sould not use his/her position of authority to influence a patient's decision in one way or the other, when it is about "opinions", when there is no absolute certainty, etc.
But, we know this same patient is being bombarded with false and/or incomplete informations about the jabs. There is big chances that the physician too will go the same way, pretending it is the absolute truth.
How is this constant propaganda suppose to be balanced with the other side of this "not absolutely certain" information?
Your informed opinion, in my view, should be made available to the person too, as an « informed opinion », and then he/she can decide. I know I would absolutely.
Is this not the true right to choose?
Did you have or need to persuade your patient not to take the jab?
No, of course not.
But as a patient, would I want a medical doctor to share his/her personal, well informed, opinion with me even if I don’t agree with him?
Absolutely yes! I would like to hear his opinion including doubts and all.
That way, when I visit the general practitioner I would hear a second opinion and I can balance them both. What if that GP is 100% pro jab and does not have any qualm in pushing it on me?
Did this patient know exactly what your public advocacy was regarding informed consent, early treatment and possible jab harms?
I understand very well that psychiatrists are in a difficult position but we are medical doctors and if we believe vexines are toxic then we should gently guide our patients away.
"I suggested that the patient form her own decision about what or what not to take, and that she consult her GP". Is that the GP who has followed the instructions of the government of the day or a GP that was punted by the same government for doing the research they are supposed to do BEFORE jabbing innocent, ill informed people old mate? Are we are talking about life or death, GMO's, proper informed consent, medical experimentation or not? Mate you tie yourself in knots trying to do the "right thing" which ends up assisting no-one. Your opinion, based on what you know & all the people you have interviewed MUST give you the right to express that opinion. I'm stunned by your cop out.
It is overdue for the Hippocratic Oath to be codified into health law.
Thank you for all you do, Manny!!
It was your DUTY to just tell the person what your OPINION was about the jabs. YOU FAILED miserably in sharing knowledge that she so desperately was looking for, some direction some alternative to help her make up her own mind. Your conscience by your OWN admission told you her parents were right and that you were right yet you said nothing to offer her deeper thought deeper introspection. To then hide behind "I'm no expert or doctor and still refer to GP"... is nothing less than a sgamefull cop out, SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU, SHAME ON YOU
Before I don the sackcloth and ashes, let me remind you and other readers that I lost my job because I came out early, emphatically and publicly against the Jab. Now, before we address clinical subtleties, involving a psychiatrist-patient relationship, let me tell you about 3 close family lovers, each of whom loves me, respects me and values my opinion. I told them in no uncertain terms and with all the material I could marshal NOT to get the Jab. Each of them did.
The patient who consulted me did not consult me for my opinion about the jab -- in fact, she never asked for it. She consulted me for problems with anxiety, depression and conflicts with her parents. Had I jumped on board and supported her 'nutty antivax mother' she would have left the office. She had herself already taken one Jab without telling her mother. I was hopeful that my suggestion that she form her own opinions based on what she discovered versus what someone else told her would have resonated.
If I were her GP I would certainly, given that role, have advised against the Jab. As a psychiatrist ... you know, we're not supposed to venture outside our scope, and mostly for good reasons, namely, that our expertise is not in physical medicine.
So, in sum, the situation was relatively complex. I suspect very strongly that she knew my opinion of the Jab based on the small community in which I worked, and I doubt very strongly that my attempting to tell her what to do would have resulted in anything but a worsening of the symptoms for which she consulted me.
The situation grows even more eerie when one considers that a friend -- yet another person who respects me, etc. -- whom I advised not to get the Jab because if was dangerous said, point blank: "Well, my wife got it and she's perfectly fine. I don't think you know what you're talking about."
Thank you, Doctor Garcia.